I found epics for sale!

[Asylum]

http://www.generaljoes.com/Search/showitem.php3?idnumber=361

[larry_wendel]

OMG $660!! Like anyone would buy one of those for anything more than $300.

[jmtlplus]

I wouldn't pay .50$ for one of them to be honest, they feel like spyders and are equally as loud.:tdown:

[jus]

the most I would pay for that is 30$$ just as much as a new stingray.

[cracker344]

its mechanical, as loud as as a spyder? wheres the reg? cool anno? cool milling? upgrades? huh? if that price sticks the can flush their hopes of a good company down the crapper. hey:idea:

[Sprintracer18]

Why dont you guys stop dissing one till you actually play with it.

[Calin]

Epic is a actually a pretty cool little gun. It doens't have the appeal of the other guns, only because it was designed to perform well. The noise signature of the gun isn't appropriately desciribed with the word loud, rather it is high pitch without paintballs. But what gun is quiet without paintballs? As for speed. It pretty quick, I wouldn't say really fast but fast enough, and there is an electronic version of it soon to be released that will give it the fire power of the higher end electros. The reg is actually built into the grip and it actually very very concisistent. Anyhow, I just want to defend this gun because I recently got to play with it and it isn't as bad as everyone thinks.

[cracker344]

all im sayin is that for the price its not what u guys say, cuz look at the other guns in its same price range

[jmtlplus]

Originally posted by Sprintracer18
Why dont you guys stop dissing one till you actually play with it.
I have played with it and I don't like it... simple as that...
everybody has there own preference...

[jmtlplus]

1. Who Cares about this thing

2. It's a piece of garbage if you ask me

3. It's 9bps not 7

[Lord Hobbes]

hey jackass its a BOLTLESS GUN! is your $700 gun boltless? i didnt think so. its is a one in a kind gun. it is a good gun for the money. and stop dissing it. You dis brass eagle, not the epic!

[jmtlplus]

Originally posted by Lord Hobbes
hey jackass its a BOLTLESS GUN! is your $700 gun boltless? i didnt think so. its is a one in a kind gun. it is a good gun for the money. and stop dissing it. You dis brass eagle, not the epic!

I don't own a 700.00$ gun.

quote: its is a one in a kind gun. huh?

what makes it good for the money?

I'll dis whatever I want... It's called freedom of speech.

[Dyoel182]

Originally posted by halB
no... but i can buy a nova 700 for 100 bux

Cannot.

[Paint_hore]

Originally posted by jmtlplus
I have played with it and I don't like it... simple as that...
everybody has there own preference...

Originally posted by jmtlplus
1. Who Cares about this thing

2. It's a piece of garbage if you ask me

3. It's 9bps not 7

I read this and then stumble upon your review:

Originally posted by jmtlplus
was the one who had asked the mods/admins to start this topic and have also gotten a chance to test the gun at my local shop who is 1 of 2 east coast dealers ( www.paintballny.com ) so here's what I think...

It's size is ideal for a front player.....

Is compatible with CO2, Compressed, and Nitrogen and works equally as well with any of them so there is no need to waste any money for a nitro tank.

Its trigger is extremely smoooooth.

So all around it is a great gun.

Yeah, you make sense.

[Theresalwaysbeer]

Lets see. It outperforms a cocker, smaller then a cocker, lighter then a cocker, faster then a cocker, more reliable then a cocker. Sounds like a gun worth 600 dollars to me! They got them at paintballgear.com now also. When i can get a job first gun im going to get is an epic.

[master9]

it isnt faster than cocker. It can only shoot 9 bps a cocker even witha a slider can match that at 12.. guys on aftershock can throw you 10 or more witha slider.

I want a epic though...

[Theresalwaysbeer]

I just noticed that, my bad peace

[Lukie91985]

if the epic gets that eletric frame ...im trading my lcd for it

[Mr. -RushY-]

I'd pay $500.It's boltless,can you say NO CHOPPING?What chops a ball?THE BOLT.

[AutocockerGuy]

the "trap door" or what ever it uses to feed the balls into the breech will chop the paint.

[p8ntball72]

no it does not..
i own 2 epics and the trap door has NEVER chopped a ball.
it has less force than a lvl 10 bolt for a mag.

[Mr. -RushY-]

Want a nice minicocker for one of dem Epics?Email me at splatman21@hotmail.com:)

[Lord Hobbes]

hey anyone interested pbgear.com now sells epics

[ritz]

why would you get them for 700 at pbgear when you can get them for 450 directly from ICE?

[Lord Hobbes]

i dunno, maybe u want to spend money? i would pay 450 for an epic

[b3kpds]

dont make no damn sense to me.. ill stick with my angel :)

[EvilPopTart]

Originally posted by ritz
why would you get them for 700 at pbgear when you can get them for 450 directly from ICE?

the Pbgear.com Agents have just jumped out of their helocopter and are preparing to kill you for uncovering they're secret.


Epics are cool, but nothing more than that. I wouldn't give up my Viking for one.

[p8ntball72]

i have never "chop" a ball in my Epic..
barreel breaks due to poor match yes.
but no "chop"

[johnny621]

slow hoppers are the origin of the chop, but what physically chops the balls are the bolts, the trap door system on the epic has about 3psi, so no it cannot chop, it will pinch, hold the door open, and then drop for the next shot. It's a fairly unconventional and innovative way of shooting a ball, so yeah I think it's worth it. I'd rather have bunch of different systems to choose from than have 12 types of spyder clones running around. Sure blowbacks work, and some work great, but just not my cup of tea

ps: it takes 6psi to break a paintball

[b3kpds]

my cocker bolt stops on paintballs and its usin alot more then 6 psi

[johnny621]

well then you're using thicker-paint

quote taken from www.icepaintball.com

Will the trap door cut or trap balls?

No, the trap door physically can't cut a paintball. The trap door moves forward with less than three pounds of force. It takes six or more pounds of force to break or chop a paintball.

---end quote---

remember that it's 3psi at the trap door, however if you only pinch the paint a little in any gun, it'll produce a KAK sound and will not chop.

[b3kpds]

nope i was usin some paint that if you dropped it, it would break without bouncing

[johnny621]

then I stand corrected, do you know the name of the paint? Most conventional paints are supposed to handle 7 drops before breaking from waist-height I thought

[Spartan X]

I do not believe him, I have tried sticking a pencil down the breach of my cocker, guess what happend? It broke the pencil. and it does chop. It my autochoper, lol

My cocker runs on 300 psi witch is not super low, but it's 150 psi below stock.

[b3kpds]

im sorry u dont believe me, .. that really isnt my problem.. my autococker is amazing.. it never chops :) believe it or not..

[johnny621]

but think about it, my impulse runs on 150psi at the bolt, which is SUPER low? (I've seen lower but we ain't talking about that, just relative to other markers) and it chops when outshoot my rico, which doesn't usually happen cause I can't shoot that fast, however, if you think about it, it's as if I slowly stood on it over the span of an inch, since I weight about 150psi, so of course it'll break. Now does your cocker run at a lower than 150 psi? Cause that'd be amazing... Is it freeflow? I've seen this guy at my field with an epic, and he tried chopping with it, and then I tried it, by placing the marker at an angle so that it feeds REAL slow... but the trap door caught it, and pushed it back up, until it caught up then it let it back down, then fired, no chops... Now I myself don't own an epic, nor do I think I'll ever get to own one (my impulse gets jealous real quick) but I think it's pretty amazing how it doesn't chop.

-johnny

[b3kpds]

no its a old 99 autococker with ans front kit and a reworked valve, it runs at 450 into the gun and it taps on balls. u can just hammer on it.. and all it will do is keep the block back, no chopping nothing

[I_like_welts]

Somehow I don't believe that, but hey if it is rue then that's really cool. If it isn't then well, as the saying goes "ignorance is bliss".
Often many paintballers that say crap on the forums are in a state of bliss. lol.

[paintballer18333]

no chopping would be nice even tho i dont chop with vision. I would take a stock cocker over this tho i think they are pretty cool

[Reklats]

Wow, you guys disappoint me. NONE of you have heard about cockers stopping on balls? It definately exists. My buddy has a 99 cocker that does so. It's all about the LPR and the springs.

[FuriousGeorge514]

if u guys dont like the guns why are u lurking in its forum?

Dont go into to forums u know nothing about and start bashhing the gun.

[Spartan X]

I just stuck my finger in my next door neighbors 2003 cocker(do not say a word!). The bolt stoped on my finder, but then it just staid there, keeping pressure on my finder till I took it out. If a ball ever did get caught in there it would jam......As with my rainmaker it just bounces off....and with the Epic the trap door just bounces off the ball. But the Cocker is closed bolt, so it can not just bounce off and go into the open bolt position.

[Reklats]

IT would fix itself the next time you pulled the trigger.

[Spartan X]

Yah true enough, lol. Yah I did not think about that, lol. But still my point, the push in the fist place....was more then enough to crush a paintball.

[Reklats]

Probably true, only cockers that have been tuned correctly will do it. It can be done almost stock though... I think my buddy had different springs ($10), and that was it.

[Spartan X]

I do not believe it's a spring exerting pressure on the ball, rather it's air from the Pneumatics. The spring just fires the air to shoot the ball, it does not play a role in the fcocking, the Front pneumatics do that job.

[Reklats]

THe front pneumatics running pressure closes the bolt on the ball, and it also recocks the gun (it uses the same psi both ways). The thing that decides how high the pressure needs to be is the weight of the hammer spring that the pneumatics have to push against to recock the gun. So if you replace the spring with a lighter one, you can turn the pneumatics pressure down (because recocking is now easier and requires less pressure) and it'll pinch balls, even with the stock autococker pneumatics.

I hope that made sense.

[p8ntball72]

i dont get it...
the Epic does not work like an autococker.
It has a flat plate that seals the breech with 3 pounds of pressure.

humm... back to topic please.

[Spartan X]

LOL yah I know what you mean......

Hey man can't wait for those e-epics, Jim said the harware(prototypes) is basically done, now they just have repackage it into the gun.

[PrettyPistol]

lots of guns can be chopless.
my friends imp operates at 60psi lpr and bounces off balls.
my bushy was goin full auto today and bouncing instead of chopping.
my angel will be set like that soon too.

[SandridgeCocker]

your angel should NEED to be set like that if you know how to use SENSEI

[Some Dude]

Loads of markers can be set to be chopless. But do they come that way stock and how much do they cost?

[Person]

WOW i read like the first 5 flames on the epic i almost pooped my panties laughing at how dumb people can be, quite frankly, some people just need to be clubbed in the knees.

[Person]

I only read the first page of this thread and id read on accept im throwing up all over the place because flamers make me sick.

[ritz]

back to the original topic... epics are on sale again at www.icepaintball.com for 420 with barrel and 395 w/o.

[Emulator01]

Yes it really cost 700$ to operate on nothing more than air i hope the these people fill good about stealing peoples money, but the design is innovative nonetheless.

[AngelBoy]

Read the post right above yours... theyre not 700$

[Person]

Originally posted by Emulator01
Yes it really cost 700$ to operate on nothing more than air i hope the these people fill good about stealing peoples money, but the design is innovative nonetheless.

To operate on nothing more than air...what the hell are you talking about? All the bolt in a normal paintball gun does is move a ball into the barrel and direct some air, and all this gun does is skip the bolt. Do yourself a favor and stop posting.

[PrettyPistol]

Originally posted by johnny621
it takes 6psi to break a paintball

nope, there is a BIG difference between pounds of force and pounds per square inch (PSI)

if the trapdoor has 3 lbs of force, it is not equal too 3psi, you cannot compare it to an impy (or other e-pneumatic) that has an LPR running at 60psi and not chopping either.

and yes, with proper springs and lpr adjustments a cocker will not chop at all.

get it?

[Spartan X]

It's king of odd. I've seen trix's, angels, viking....bolt bounce off balls alot. They are set up quite nice, however, all of those HAVE chopped eventually. Be it bad paint or just a pressure spike at the wrong time, but they have. WE can make a bolt operated gun very effective, however a bolt operated gun is not the most effective means to use in a paintball gun. It's just whats out there now.

[bshmastr]

Just so you know

Epics kick some ***. They will NEVER chop, but if you have bad balls you will have breaks in a barrel.

They have no kick whatsoever.

Quit bashing it, it kicks your guns ***. (besides speed)

[Spartan X]

Oh gosh...not again...

[XKE]

oooook, whats with comparing it to cockers? for 600 i would pick up a nice electro, case closed, ROF really matters in MOST tournie situations, wich is what i play

[Spartan X]

there not $600....there $450

[BKOpwner]

People can't seem to comprehend that though.

[BraveSirRobin]

You people seem to be missing the point that the fact that an Epic can't chop is only one of many positive aspects of the Epic. Its also lightweight, compact as hell, durable as hell, easy to maintain, literally has zero kick and zero blowback, and (don't know if this is right but...) you can fire as fast as you can without an electric hopper and not worry about anything happening. So you could sell your extra hopper to help pay for it. Oh yea, I forgot the best pro for the Epic; if you add water to it, it turns into solid gold.

[Ravenfly]

ok, I would just like to say that after reading all the posts in this thread, I am likeing the idea of a new and innovative gun out on the market, I am looking forward to it doing well, I hope people can stop flaming it though, as a person never shooting the gun should not come to conclusions. I would like them to come out with a center feed body and an electric trigger frame, then this gun can become a true competitor, however, I saw some pics of it and I think it needs some better milling, just some swirly lines or something, with those three thinhgs added and I would buy one for 450

[Spartan X]

Originally posted by Ravenfly
ok, I would just like to say that after reading all the posts in this thread, I am likeing the idea of a new and innovative gun out on the market, I am looking forward to it doing well, I hope people can stop flaming it though, as a person never shooting the gun should not come to conclusions. I would like them to come out with a center feed body and an electric trigger frame, then this gun can become a true competitor, however, I saw some pics of it and I think it needs some better milling, just some swirly lines or something, with those three thinhgs added and I would buy one for 450

Well then you will not be getting what you want.

[sgear1686]

Originally posted by Mr. -RushY-
I'd pay $500.It's boltless,can you say NO CHOPPING?What chops a ball?THE BOLT.

the barrel also

[Ravenfly]

I would Love someone to come out with a gun that doesnt need the barrel and is still accurate. that would be a feat. but then there would be no ball breaks in the barrel.

[Spartan X]

There will always be a way for the ball to break. it's a glitin ball...it's not a bulit. there fragile and MENT to break.

[Ravenfly]

true, but I still can hope that someday there will be a gun with no bolt, no barrel, oh and just in case the frrdneck breaks the ball, no feedneck, the trigger is what shoots the balls too fast, so take that off, the body might break it, then the regulator migh spike, so cant have that. oh wait I got it we can just throw paint at each other, heres the rule nothing there to shoot, nothing to break a ball. we could make it a gentlemans sport, all wear silk gloves so if our hands are rough then they still wont break. I think I have something. yay!!!

wait I think scince it doesnt ever break the ball, I will sell this glove with the option of right OR left handed for lets see, 395$ yes that sounds right.

lol, now lets see someone actually do this

[Spartan X]

hahaha, lol, but even with the gloves you can squeeze the balls! Better have built in suports that do not allow for yopu to press down on the ball to hard.